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Faversham
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posted April 04, 2003 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faversham        Reply w/Quote
These used to be coming out on a regular basis, but it has been quite a while since I have heard of any new ones on the schedule...has Marvel canned this program?

If so, I think it is a shame, as they were a great way to read otherwise unavailable or highly priced stories...

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Aaron
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posted April 04, 2003 11:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aaron   Click Here to Email Aaron        Reply w/Quote
I asked Joe Q about it on his message board a while back and he pretty much said the Essential books were on indefinite hold. Take that to mean what you want, but considering they just announced 30-odd new hardback Masterworks at $50 a pop, methinks it has something to do with $$$.

I would love for them to continue the Essentials at some point, but I'm not counting on seeing them anytime soon.

Aaron

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GaryUK
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posted April 04, 2003 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GaryUK   Click Here to Email GaryUK        Reply w/Quote
Last I heard, two more new Essentials are planned, the Human Torch stories from Strange Tales, and the Tomb of Dracula series.

Although it's specifically aimed at the Marvel Masterworks, the Essentials have been mentioned on Dylanfan's excellent Marvel Masterworks site, http://www.marvelmasterworks.freeservers.com/

Check it out!

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dylanfan
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posted April 04, 2003 11:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dylanfan   Click Here to Email dylanfan        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Aaron:
I asked Joe Q about it on his message board a while back and he pretty much said the Essential books were on indefinite hold. Take that to mean what you want, but considering they just announced 30-odd new hardback Masterworks at $50 a pop, methinks it has something to do with $$$.

I would love for them to continue the Essentials at some point, but I'm not counting on seeing them anytime soon.

Aaron


To put a finer point on the above statements, it's 32 Masterworks, not new, but remastered versions of all the old ones. Two new Essentials have been announced, Human Torch and Tomb of Dracula. And yes, it's about money. As it should be....

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Carbon Freeze
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posted April 04, 2003 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Carbon Freeze        Reply w/Quote
I'm a big fan of the Essentials series and have been disappointed in the lack of new volumes. i'd rather see a second thor and iron man instead of dracula. being a huge fantastic four fan, i will get the human torch book.
as for the masterworks, how many times can they reprint the same material over and over ?? i bought the early volumes the first time they came out. i know not everyone did, but do we really need Amazing Fantasy 15 and Spider Man 1 - 10 again ??

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NecessaryImpurity
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posted April 04, 2003 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NecessaryImpurity        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Carbon Freeze:
...but do we really need Amazing Fantasy 15 and Spider Man 1 - 10 again ??

Yes. We need them to be permanently available. The same way Superman #1-4 are permamently available in "Superman Archives, V1".

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Greg F
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posted April 04, 2003 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Greg F   Click Here to Email Greg F        Reply w/Quote
I have many of the original Masterworks that were released in the early 90s. I thought they were beautiful books and enjoyed collecting them immensely. Just thought I'd share that.

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Wellington
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posted April 04, 2003 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wellington   Click Here to Email Wellington        Reply w/Quote
I've got a nearly-complete run of Essentials, skipping Marvel Team-Up and Wolverine #2 and up (found the first one for a buck, and I've got the first hundred issues or so of Wolverine, anyway).

Tomb of Dracula and Sgt. Fury were announced over a year ago, and still no sign of them. We had quite a long stretch with no Essentials, then Dr. Strange, Ant-Man and Howard the Duck arrived pretty much all at once. The long-delayed Daredevil followed a couple of months later, but I haven't seen anything since.

Thor and Iron Man are overdue for follow-ups, and the Human Torch in Strange Tales book would be a lot of fun, I'm sure (all that never-reprinted Kirby art...cool). One more Avengers book, bringing us pretty close to the start of the Kree-Skrull War would be great, too. And more Herb Trimpe Hulk...and...sorry. I need to put a little more thought into this before I start to REALLY get incoherent and fanboyish...

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Faversham
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posted April 04, 2003 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faversham        Reply w/Quote
Well, if the Torch and Dracula volumes get released that will be great, but I'm dying to see a Sgt. Fury volume (wasn't that announced some time ago?), Sub-Mariner, and (wishful thinking) Defenders!

The core Marvel books from the sixties and seventies are great to see in Masterworks, but can anyone really afford them all?

I know I can't, sigh...

And those early Uncanny X-Men tales were great...sure wish I could see more...

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Mike Falcon
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posted April 04, 2003 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Falcon   Click Here to Email Mike Falcon        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Faversham:
Well, if the Torch and Dracula volumes get released that will be great, but I'm dying to see a Sgt. Fury volume (wasn't that announced some time ago?), Sub-Mariner, and (wishful thinking) Defenders!


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majorjoe23
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posted April 04, 2003 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for majorjoe23   Click Here to Email majorjoe23        Reply w/Quote
I want the Fantastic Four through 102 in Essential form.

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GaryUK
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posted April 04, 2003 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GaryUK   Click Here to Email GaryUK        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by majorjoe23:
I want the Fantastic Four through 102 in Essential form.

I want the Fantastic Four through 102 in Masterworks form.

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Carlo
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posted April 04, 2003 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Carlo   Click Here to Email Carlo        Reply w/Quote
My recent Westfield Comics order form had no essentials listed for July...sob!

I too could have sworn that Sgt. Fury was announced ages ago.

Carlo

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dylanfan
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posted April 04, 2003 06:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dylanfan   Click Here to Email dylanfan        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Carlo:
My recent Westfield Comics order form had no essentials listed for July...sob!

I too could have sworn that Sgt. Fury was announced ages ago.

Carlo


Yes, it was announced about a year ago, but abandoned somewhere along the way. Tomb of Dracula actually made it to the solicit stage before the plug was pulled.

And to repeat- Marvel has announced they are prepping a Human Torch and resoliciting Tomb Of Dracula as Essentials.

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NecessaryImpurity
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posted April 04, 2003 09:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NecessaryImpurity        Reply w/Quote
As often as Marvel has pulled the plug or delayed these Essentials projects, if you'd put the money in the bank when the project was first announced, you'd have earned enough interest by now to afford a Masterworks volume.

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Mike Falcon
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posted April 04, 2003 09:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Falcon   Click Here to Email Mike Falcon        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by NecessaryImpurity:
As often as Marvel has pulled the plug or delayed these Essentials projects, if you'd put the money in the bank when the project was first announced, you'd have earned enough interest by now to afford a Masterworks volume.

Not with interests rates as low as they are now.

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Lightning + Chemicals
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posted April 05, 2003 12:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lightning + Chemicals        Reply w/Quote
I've always been a DC fan. The Essentials have been an excellent way to introduce myself to the best of Marvel. The dense soap opera continuity was always a barrier to entry when I sampled Marvels in the seventies. To me the ability to buy 20+ issues of story for <$15 is a tremendous, and enjoyable, bargain.

I have about 50% of the Essentials, and probably am not going to buy the ones I don't have. But I would certainly get these "future" volumes....

Spiderman 6
Fantastic Four 4 & 5
Thor 2
Master of Kung Fu 1

... and I will definitely get Tomb of Dracula 1 and Human Torch 1.

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Wellington
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posted April 05, 2003 01:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wellington   Click Here to Email Wellington        Reply w/Quote
From what I know of the early Master of Kung-Fu, I think that Marvel should put out some paperbacks like they did with the Steranko SHIELD stuff a couple of years ago. Skip ahead to the Mike Zeck and Paul Gulacy classic issues, put out some nice, full color (recolored?) $15-$20 trades, then, eventually, go back and do the whole thing in the essentials format.

Defenders would be a welcome addition to the line, and if it weren't for all the starts and stops with publishing Essentials, we probably would've seen it by now...

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James Friel
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posted April 05, 2003 02:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
I don't remember Mike Zeck doing Master of Kung Fu.

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chris zickrick
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posted April 05, 2003 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for chris zickrick   Click Here to Email chris zickrick        Reply w/Quote
I wouldn't mind a Captain Marvel Essential plus more Avengers. Unless they do more trades from that era. On a side note, glad Marvel has been doing trades from the 70 & 80's Avengers & kinda hoping we see a John Byrne Visionaries.

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KOBE27
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posted April 05, 2003 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KOBE27   Click Here to Email KOBE27        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by James Friel:
I don't remember Mike Zeck doing Master of Kung Fu.

Not to get off-topic but, um, you're kidding, right?
While not as beloved a run as the early Gulacy issues, or the latter Gene Day run, Mike Zeck did a TON of MOKF.
At first he was just the fill-in artist every time Jim Craig missed a deadline (which was often). He did #55 (nice Gulacy cover), the Phoenix Gambit two-parter in #59-60 (the one where every one becomes a pawn in yet another chess game between Dr. Doom and the Prime Mover), and #64 (another Gulacy cover).
After that, however, he starts "helping" Jim Craig on art duties (fully credited) by #66, and then takes over by #69. Number 70 is a fill-in by Pat Broderick (whatever happened to him?), but from 71 to 102, Zeck handles both interiors and most of the covers.
The confusion might rest in the fact Gene Day became Zeck's inker by 76, so by the time he took over the pencils by 103, the diference wasn't as jarring (even though his own art would surpass Zeck by leaps and bounds soon enough).

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James Friel
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posted April 05, 2003 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Kobe. Guess I wasn't paying attention. I don't remember being aware of Zeck until...you know, I'm not sure when. Punisher, maybe, or Secret Wars, whichever came first. Lots of late '70s and '80s Marvel stuff has completely fled from my consciousness, since I re-read almost none of it.

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James Friel
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posted April 05, 2003 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
Now that I think about it, though, I can envision Zeck-ish looking figures of Black Jack Tarr and Nayland Smith and Leiko Wu--not Shang Chi, though, for some reason. And I certainly remember that chess game scene.

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profh0011
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posted April 05, 2003 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for profh0011   Click Here to Email profh0011        Reply w/Quote
"I want the Fantastic Four through 102 in Masterworks form."

I missed the 4th F.F Masterworks book somehow, and because I was missing a couple of the stories in other reprints, had to get ESSENTIAL F.F. Vol.2, just so I could read the ones I was missing! (Half the book I already had in the 3rd F.F. Masterworks volume.) But I'd much prefer having them all in color.

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profh0011
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posted April 05, 2003 04:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for profh0011   Click Here to Email profh0011        Reply w/Quote
I once saw a page of Jim Craig's pencils. The guy was GOOD! Unfortunately, he had 2 problems on MOKF: TERRIBLE ink jobs (Pablo Marcos and John Tatraglione) and the "Buckler-Perez" syndrome of taking on too many projects and winding up blowing deadlines on ALL of them.

Most of the fill-ins interrupted ongoing storylines, meaning if you go back and re-read the series (which I DID once!) it makes more sense to read the fill-ins out-of-sequence, if you can figure out where in the continuity they should really fit. (The same goes for all those DEADLY HANDS episodes of MOKF, I'd hope any future reprinting would take ALL the episodes into consideration and collect them in a sequence where the chronology would make sense.)

Mike Zeck wound up doing more episodes of MOKF than any other artist, AND had the longest unbroken run of issues in there somewhere (between Broderick & Day, no doubt). Much of his run was taken up by a single, MAMMOTH-length epic that went on and on an ON (the lead-in to the 2nd Fu Manchu "epic"). He was never in Gulacy's class, but in a more traditional "comic-book" style, he developed into a damn good artist. I thought his run on CAPTAIN AMERICA may be the height of his art, and I was really sorry when he left that book. (Paul Neary, who'd been a real hotshot sci-fi artist at Warren years earlier, was a serious come-down after Zeck's departure.)

Zeck's SECRET WARS looked like a real rush-job, done for the money, not love of the work. He more recently did a crime book (I forget the title!) and I was surprised as his style had changed so much I couldn't recognize it as being his.

I get a feeling, in the long run, than MOKF is a bit like NEXUS. At this point, NOBODY but Moench & Gulacy should ever do it again-- just like NOBODY but Baron & Rude should ever do NEXUS from here on out.

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